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Independent1) put on the main page since once again, it's getting too unwieldy for a comment, and once again, I have the power!
Iraq under Saddam Hussien was one of 7 nations that were the biggest national supporters of terrorism, as sited by George Tenet in 2001. The other 6 are Cuba, North Korea, Iran, Syria, Libya, and Sudan. If we are going to win the war on terrorism, we need to stop these countries from supporting terrorism, either by diplomacy or force.
It is indisputible that Saddam Hussien supported terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Saddam Fedayeen, Al Aqsa Marters Brigade, Islamic Gihad, Answar Al Islam (which may be an offshoot of al-queda, and other islamic terrorists groups. Many of these terrorist groups have declared us as an enemy, and some, most noteably Hamas, have actively promised to attack the US on our soil. In fact, I predict that the next terrorist attack on US soil will not be from Al Queda, but from a different islamic terrorist group.
It is also widely recognized that there is a large level of comingling between these terrorist groups, meaning that an individual terrorist may be a member or have ties with several terrorists groups. Islamic Gihad, for example, has now merged with Al Queda.
Al Queda is in every other country in the world, why is it so hard to believe they were also in Iraq, a nation that openly harbored terrorists and openly hated us?
First of all, the stats referred to do not mention if they are talking about states with the highest aggregate support for terrorism, or the states whose officially recognized governments most support terrorism. I'm assuming it's the latter, though even then it's very likely Saudi Arabia belongs on that list. If it's the former, then there are undoubtedly other nations that should be very high on the list (U.S. since frankly a good deal of the funding for terrorism comes or at least came from front groups in the U.S., Egypt and Pakistan in addition to Saudi Arabia and maybe China, but it's hard to get info on China for obvious reasons)
Your list is interesting. Why didn't we go after those states (in addition to Saudi Arabia) after Afghanistan? Cuba has little influence and power, so it's really unnecessary to hit them at that point. North Korea... now if we really want to fight states that support terrorism with WMDs, then few if any nations should be higher on our hit list than North Korea. The problem with hitting North Korea is A) the leader is truly insane and B) they probably do have a nuke. (in addition to the fact that China might not like us there) One could also make good arguments for going after Iran, a nation that had at least similarity with Iraq in theological and ideological terms. Syria is also a good potential target if we want to fight on the terms of hitting states that support terrorism. Libya and the Sudan are also good candidates.
Why didn't we hit Libya, Sudan, Syria, or Iran instead or in addition to Iraq? I'm willing to grant that reasons exist for not hitting the others.
I honestly don't know for sure. I don't think we should have hit any other nations at that point in 2003. I think we should have kept our resources and energies focused on Afghanistan/Pakistan.
Possible explanations on why we hit Iraq include:
- We knew we could. Their military was still quite weak, and we either didn't really think they had WMDs or that we didn't believe they would use them. (if we really believed they had them and would use them, then we should use that same rationale to go after North Korea) In addition, we had an outstanding U.N. resolution somewhat allowing this. This doesn't answer why we felt it necessary to hit another nation so soon after Afghanistan, but it does answer why Iraq
- Political posturing. Take focus off of Afghanistan, and refocus the nation on another war. Give Bush a victory and ensure reelection. I'm not saying this is the answer, and if it is, it hasn't gone well. I'm just trying to figure out explanations that fit the available information
- Chalabi really really duped us. If so, this administration should be voted out for that alone
- The administration believed we could hit Iraq, and the administration believed it would be easy, and the administration believed it would lead to democratization of the middle-east. In other words, the neo-cons completely ruled the day... I think this explanation has more than a grain of truth
- Something involving oil or Halliburton. (few of the other on the list have much if any oil) Again, I'm not saying I believe this, I'm just saying that fits the evidence.
Again, I don't doubt that a few Al Qaeda members were in Iraq. Emphasis on few. And yes, the definitions of the terrorist groups were/are fairly amorphous. That's a fair argument. It still does not answer why Iraq and not one of the others. We had Iraq pretty well boxed in. We had forced inspectors back in there. Saddam was a megalomaniac, but a largely secular one. He didn't like Bin Laden, and Bin Laden didn't like him. Why not attack a government more sympathetic to Al Qaeda to tie our attack a little bit more credibly to 9/11. The fact that to the world community the attack seemed entirely tangential to 9/11 is part of why our world support so completely eroded. Saddam was a sadistic scumbag, but then again, so are so many other tyrants in the world. We are not sending in troops to stop the horror in Sudan right now. If we felt that human rights is the standard for our foreign policy, then we would have been in there months ago. (note: I thought George HW Bush's decision to send in troops to stop the horror in Somalia in 1992 was a noble effort even if the results were not as great)
Was it really necessary to move our troops from Afghanistan and mobilize our military to fight Iraq at that time? Even ignoring hind sight when we now know that there were likely no significant WMDs in Iraq, and the official ties between their government and Al Qaeda is basically theoretical in nature, the reasoning still seems flawed.
Beyond the reasoning of why to attack, the way we approached the war, to ignore any realistic planning for the post-invasion is deplorable. Rumsfeld repeatedly ignored generals asking for more troops to secure Iraq. He kept on saying he believed we had enough in there. Is there much serious doubt that another 40-50,000 troops wouldn't have helped a good deal in the first few months to secure the place? (note: I'm not mentioning issues with Abu Gharib, nor Mission Accomplished, nor Green Zones, nor anything else)
Maybe we would have had to fight Saddam eventually. I will grant that would have been a definite possibility. However, we could have waited until we had demonstrated to the Islamic world our mercy and resolve in Afghanistan. We won't win over everyone, but we can reduce the supply of possible recruits for Al Qaeda. Iraq really wasn't going anywhere. We had them cornered. 2 or 3 years later when we had rooted out the remnants of the Taliban and Al Qaeda from Afghanistan, when we could have secured the nation and given the people the hope they so desperately deserve after being the cruel pawn of so many regimes, we would be able to go after Iraq with our world standing in much higher esteem.
In the end, I can't entirely understand why we did what we did. The only thing I know is that it almost certainly was a mistake.
BTW: Blogger should build a spell-check/etc into the comments... that's half the reason why I prefer main posts.